1st Myanmar Tachileik Bike Week

Any further details? Do you need to be on yr own bike? I may need to hire one to go.
If you need to be in a group or club, let's get that sorted
I'd like to see more of Burma, but not sure of my health/bike/status nor where I'll be living in december so I want to ensure I've booked as necessary and can go there , one way or another.
we dont need a visa? Have to leave passports in Tachilek?

I'll take a tent
I've been to a place in Buma before where the only permitted place to stay was full, had to sleep where it wasn't allowed, it looks like it'll all be taken care of this time. Anyway I don't imagine thais being too fussy about sleeping regulations
 
No latest news yet Alex but I assume the crossing will the vip style where as immigration hold your passport on the.thai side and you get a temp pass so your passport never gets stamped in the same way as the casino Customers

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No concrete final details as yet but for those interested maybe a good idea to register now, this from the Facebook page.

Update for entering Myanmar WITHOUT VISA.

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Myanmar immigration authority has been authorized to arrange the special entry permission for all foreigners to join the 1st Myanmar Tachileik Bike Week and/or Kyaing Tong - Mong Lar trip WITHOUT VISA.

*** Conditions ***
- Purpose of joining the 1st Myanmar Tachileik Bike week and/or joining the Kyaing Tong - Mong Lar trip.
- Permission to stay 14 days.
- Enter and exit through Tachileik - Maesai gate only.

To register for the special entry permission, please email the following to tachileikbikeweek@gmail.com within 25th November.
(1) ID card for Thai citizen, or Passport for other countries citizen.
(2) Bike owner book (Case your own bike), and Letter of permission from Bike owner (Case you do not own the bike)
(3) 1.5"x 1.5" size photo (Scanned in resolution not lower than 250 pixels per inch.)

They have also posted up a video of the reckie run.

http://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1560647184167066&set=vb.100006653974870&type=2&theater




 
No latest news yet Alex but I assume the crossing will the vip style where as immigration hold your passport on the.thai side and you get a temp pass so your passport never gets stamped in the same way as the casino Customers

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sorry Bob,what do u mean here? it will count like a visa run on the passport when u re enter thailand right?
cheers
 
Sorry i massed up the text it head's "Update for entering Myanmar WITHOUT VISA" so i guess its like i said earlier it will as a VIP your passport should stay at the border until your exit and then returned (without a stamp)
 
Sorry i massed up the text it head's "Update for entering Myanmar WITHOUT VISA" so i guess its like i said earlier it will as a VIP your passport should stay at the border until your exit and then returned (without a stamp)

doesn-t that mean you are exempt from Myanmar visa? meaning we don-t need a visa to enter Myanmar for 15days,(but still exit thailand as a visa run* ...mmm interesting question
:hmm
 
My understanding is that you will leave your passport at Thai immigration and cross with a temporary pass as i have done before while playing golf, there is obviously no visa on the Myanmar side as you do not have a passport :D on your return back to Tachileik you collect your passport from Thai immigration. Risky business for the organisers
 
My understanding is that you will leave your passport at Thai immigration and cross with a temporary pass as i have done before while playing golf, there is obviously no visa on the Myanmar side as you do not have a passport :D on your return back to Tachileik you collect your passport from Thai immigration. Risky business for the organisers

Risky business leaving your passport for a couple of weeks with some Thai dude in a uniform too! :RE
 
My understanding is that you will leave your passport at Thai immigration and cross with a temporary pass as i have done before while playing golf, there is obviously no visa on the Myanmar side as you do not have a passport :D on your return back to Tachileik you collect your passport from Thai immigration. Risky business for the organisers

Mmm leaving the passport there?not sure how to feel about it ..but anyway a good question for the organizers actually..i do need a stamp in around those days.and yes my passport in my pocket would be lovely.although in mae sai the Burma side usually keep it when u go shopping/visarun
 
LATEST INFO TODAY ANNOUNCED ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE

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but this seems a free event for MCs clubs sponsored by 'common' foreign riders ,or is my perception? I still live in a democratic world were we should all be treated equally .around 25k+ for a few crowded days ? (myslf+gf) :hmm..
 
List says you need an international driving license, they can be obtained in Chiang Mai.

If your Thai license is in english then an international license is not required they tell me.

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Latest replies to a few questions i asked the organisers :

Guys have asked if they can explore a bit while in Myanmar or do we have to stay with you guys on the ride out and back ?


Also I guess the passports stay at Thailand immigration and we cross on a temporary permit is this correct ?

Reply:


Thanks again for your questions


Need to stay with us for the entire trip, go and back.

Passport will keep at Myanmar Immigration and they will provide a permit card for customer to keep.
 
Latest information from the organisers for those who want to attend the Tachileik Bike Week 25th of November is the deadline for registration.

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Looks like someone is planning to make some money on this event:

600 baht to cover the $10 USD for the Myanmar entry permit

10k baht for a 3 day trip - with dual occupancy hotel rooms and 500 extra per night for single occupancy
 
Looks like someone is planning to make some money on this event:

600 baht to cover the $10 USD for the Myanmar entry permit

10k baht for a 3 day trip - with dual occupancy hotel rooms and 500 extra per night for single occupancy




Not so sure.


Designated hotels for tourists are stupidly expensive in Myanmar. You get 3 nights of a double occupancy hotel rooms, meals, plus all the permit and guide costs taken care of.
 
Phil - looking online, hotels in Tachilek and Kyainge Tong cost 1000 to 1500 baht for double occupancy.

Call it 3k for the hotels and breakfast, and another 2k for the rest of the meals. That leaves a whole lot for guides and permits (and profit).
 
Even if they were using the cheapest hotels which I doubt, on your numbers, they still have to get you approved permits and share the guide and his transport out of 5,000 bht. Get rich??



A year of work to put together, doesn't look like they re getting minimum wage?




Phil - looking online, hotels in Tachilek and Kyainge Tong cost 1000 to 1500 baht for double occupancy.

Call it 3k for the hotels and breakfast, and another 2k for the rest of the meals. That leaves a whole lot for guides and permits (and profit).
 
As far as hotels, their own info sheet states: "Hotel rates are 1000, 1200 and 1500 baht per room per night"

Online, I could only find 3 hotels listed for Kyainge Tong. Booking prices were $30 to $50 USD. Nothing higher than that.

They list the charge for the Myanmar entry permit as 600 baht. Legally, it is $10 USD - but they sometimes hold out for 500 baht. So, there is a fee added there as well.

I don't know how much is needed to cover permits. They do list a service car, guides and escort bikes.

To me, it seems a bit overpriced for what you will be getting.
 
The hotels they list for those prices are in Tachilek? That has nothing to do with the 10,000 bht Myanmar tour?
 
Yes it does. The last night of the 3 night trip is in Tachilek - Dec 18.

BTW - they do give you the option of departing Thailand before 6 PM and skipping the overnight in Tachilek - but a discount is not mentioned.
 
I would estimate the cost as follows:


Hotels and food for 3 nights (its normally a package in Myanmar with food in the hotel with breakfast and evening meal included)


Double occupancy 1,500-2,000 bht PAX per night. 6,000 bht


Myanmar Permit for bike and Myanmar immgtn permit PAX 1,500 bht. ... Could easily be more.


1 support vehicle per 10 riders say 1,000 bht per rider.



That's being pretty bare bones and 8,500 bht, I don't think the organizers will be getting the Ferrari catalogs out in the near future.
 
"Double occupancy 1,500-2,000 bht PAX per night. 6,000 bht"

Let's see - that is 12k baht for 2 people in a room, meals included.

Since the hotels are closer to 1000-1500 per night (by their own info and online prices), and they list hotel and market food breakfasts, they would have to be REAL fancy dinners to make up the rest.

My opinion is that the trip is overpriced for what they are providing - based on the facts available. None of us will know anything for sure until there is a report from a trip participant with descriptions of what they actually got for the money.
 
For these size groups, they normally use the big hotels, that are designated "foreigner" hotels, not the small, cheap places. They will be a lot more expensive.
 
Phil - your opinion of the trip costs does not match mine. So what?

Mine is based on hotel costs stated by the organizers, and prices listed online for foreigners.

As I stated, let's see a report about what they actually got.
 
Looks like someone is planning to make some money on this event:




I think there has been a lot of goodwill involved here & an amazing job pulling this off. It would have been impossible for a Non-Myanmar citizen to organize this and i find it irritating that, with everything this guy has done, that someone would view this as an scheme/ event to rip people off, with the view to make money.



Totally disagree, 10,000 Bht to ride through Myanmar - bargain. (Can you show me a cheaper option to ride in Myanmar? (I betcha can't))








As far as hotels, their own info sheet states: "Hotel rates are 1000, 1200 and 1500 baht per room per night"

Online, I could only find 3 hotels listed for Kyainge Tong. Booking prices were $30 to $50 USD. Nothing higher than that.

They list the charge for the Myanmar entry permit as 600 baht. Legally, it is $10 USD - but they sometimes hold out for 500 baht. So, there is a fee added there as well.

I don't know how much is needed to cover permits. They do list a service car, guides and escort bikes.

To me, it seems a bit overpriced for what you will be getting.
 
Phil - you are still arguing without facts. Let's see what they actually got for their money.

For your info, I know people that have taken the same trip solo - so it is possible for foreigners to organize it on an individual basis.

BTW - are the prices for Thai bikers the same as for foreign bikers? That info is not listed here.
 
Solo on a foreign motorcycle?




Phil - you are still arguing without facts. Let's see what they actually got for their money.

For your info, I know people that have taken the same trip solo - so it is possible for foreigners to organize it on an individual basis.

BTW - are the prices for Thai bikers the same as for foreign bikers? That info is not listed here.
 
Look's like we are off the main topic, as far as i can see it's a great opportunity to cross the border without having a stamp in your passport ride into Myanmar with a bunch of other riders and relatively inexpensive IMHO. OK the organisers are going to make a few quid but so what they have put a huge amount of effort into putting this thing together and they should be praised for doing so not punished, taking part is not compulsory BobS, but as i pointed out earlier in this thread this is a ground breaking event worthy of support plus a chance to see some of the country.

As for Thai pricing i didn't post this up as most members don't read Thai although it's freely available on the website or Fb page, but since you asked.

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Prices for Thais are lower than for foreigners at 8900/7500 Baht for Thai and 10000/8700 Baht for foreigners (Biker+bike and Pillion). Please note that the hotel rooms are on a twin sharing basis but if you want to have your own room they will charge another 1500 Baht for that. Like Bob said lets wait and see what they actually got for their money instead of arguing about who is right.
 
Auke - part of the savings is from the 60 baht cost for Thais to cross the border, as opposed to the 600 baht for foreigners. The rest?
 
Forest if you look back i specifically asked the question about the passport, there is no stamp, your passport stays at immigration.
 
passport will stay at immigration in Myanmar u said(?) ,after the bridge , when you already stamped out of Th as usual,and Myanmar office give u this brown card to go shopping etc. pay 10 bucks(or 500bht!) take a pic, done.I've been there a number of times in the last 11-12 years.. Thailand will stamp you out if u leave the country,and of course stamp in upon return.

this is the answer u got: (?)

Need to stay with us for the entire trip, go and back.

Passport will keep at Myanmar Immigration and they will provide a permit card for customer to keep.


Forest if you look back i specifically asked the question about the passport, there is no stamp, your passport stays at immigration.
 
Just a few days left before the 25th Nov 14 deadline for the Myanmar Bike Week ride to Mong-La to get your paperwork/ documents submitted.


One of the requirements is an Intl driving license (not sure in reality how strict they will be on this). If you're planning to get one in Thailand below is what you need to get one:



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Phil - your last post had me scratching my head - because there is a big sign at the Motor Vehicle department listing the 9 Asean countries that a Thai license is valid in. So, time for a little research.

I found this recent update about licensing - Update on thai driving license | Pattaya today newspaper

Here is the part that lists the details - "It was also confirmed that only Thais holding a Thai driving license may use it in other ASEAN countries. The discretion does not cover foreigners with a Thai license who are advised to obtain an international permit in Thailand or in their first country. "

Here is what the same official said two years ago: "Anyone holding a valid Thai driving licence can now use it in nine other countries without the need to obtain an international permit. These countries are Mynamar, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Brunei, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore and the Philippines which, together with Thailand, make up the 10 country ASEAN economic grouping. Citizens of these countries, together with foreign nationals holding a driving permit issued by any member state, are now able to drive in all member countries for as long as the licence is valid"


So - according to this latest statement, foreigners can not use a Thai license outside of Thailand and legally need the International permit.

News to me, and I bet to a few others.
 
Phil - there may be some understandable confusion arising from post #53, where bsacbob stated "If your Thai license is in english then an international license is not required they tell me."
 
I was also under the impression that the Thai license was valid in some other local countries such as Laos, Malaysia and Singapore as I researched this subject before going to live in Indonesia for a few years (Thai licenses were not valid there at the time).

So it appears that your nationality overrules the validity of the license when out of Thailand. That's a shame, but not beyond belief in this part of the world.
 
Just a few days left before the 25th Nov 14 deadline for the Myanmar Bike Week ride to Mong-La to get your paperwork/ documents submitted.


One of the requirements is an Intl driving license (not sure in reality how strict they will be on this). If you're planning to get one in Thailand below is what you need to get one:



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Hi Phil

Need to ask are you talking about a IDL or IDP????

Because this is how I understand it ....

A IDL is just a translation of your Driving licenses you hold let it be a UK,USA,Thail ect but these are not real IDP ???

A IDP An International Driving Permit (IDP) is an identity document that allows the holder to drive a private motor vehicle in any country that recognises IDPs. To be valid, the IDP must be accompanied by a valid driving licence.

The IDP, which is slightly larger than a passport, is a multi-language translation of the driver's licence from the issuing nation, complete with photograph and vital statistics

Driver information

The 1968 convention (as amended in 2011)

The main regulations about driving licences are in Annex 6 (domestic driving permit) and Annex 7 (international driving permit). The currently active version of those is in force in each Contracting Party since no later than 29 March 2011 (Article 43).
Article 41 of the Convention describes requirements for driving licences. Key of those are:

  • every driver of a motor vehicle must hold a driving licence;
  • driving licences can be issued only after passing theoretical and practical exams, which are regulated by each country;
  • Contracting Parties shall recognize as valid for driving in their territories:
    • domestic driving licence conforms to the provisions of Annex 6 to the Convention;
    • international driving licence conforms to the provisions of Annex 7 to the Convention, on condition that it is presented with the corresponding domestic driving licence;
  • driving licences issued by a Contracting Party shall be recognised in the territory of another Contracting Party until this territory becomes the place of normal residence of their holder;
  • all of the above does not apply to learner-driver licences;
  • the period of validity of an international licence shall be either no more than three years after the date of issue or until the date of expiry of the domestic driving licence, whichever is earlier;
  • Contracting Parties may refuse to recognise the validity of driving licences for persons under eighteen or, for categories C, D, CE and DE, under twenty one;
  • an international driving licence shall only be issued by the Contracting Party in whose territory the holder has his normal residence and that issued the domestic driving licence or that recognised the driving licence issued by another Contracting Party; it shall not be valid for use in that territory.





You will find that a IDP are only issued by driving organization such as in the UK the AA and RAC and are only valid for 1 year but can be use upto 3 years all other forms of translation are not real IDP and should not be consided as a IDP or used in its place .
One other point a IDP is not valid in the country of issue ??
Full details of off IDP and country who recognize IDP see link ....


Validation

According to the 1949 Convention on Road Traffic, an IDP remains valid for one year from the date of issue. However, according to the Vienna Convention, an IDP remains valid for no more than three years from the date of issue, or until the expiration date of national driving permit, whichever is earlier. An IDP is not valid for driving in the country where it was issued.

International Driving Permit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Link to the AA in the UK about IDP

https://www.theaa.com/getaway/idp/index.html#international-driving-licence


This is from the AA uk web site


Is an IDP the same as an International Driving Licence (IDL)?

No. An International Driving Licence is not a legally recognised document and will not enable you to meet national requirements to carry an International Driving Permit (IDP).

This is just my understanding on this matter I could be wrong

which now bring me on to the matter of IDP in China ??? because China did not sign up to the IDP these means that people in China can't get a IDP and allows people like me with a Chinese DL to drive in most other country without the need of a IDP, is this right "NO" so why do these other country allow this to happen ??? it's a matter of the other country don't want to piss in there chips or should I say with China "noddles"
 
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