WarProfiteer
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- May 17, 2013
- Bikes
- currently renting & deciding
Just wanted to add some content... and maybe at some point this will help someone else who is considering signing up for a bike school.
Quick background info... I've only been riding for about 2.5 years now. I've done maybe 7K-8K total on bigger bikes (daily use of a 125cc doesnt count). I've done lots of multi-day trips on rented 500X's & ER6's, and tried out several other models along the way... tho I tended to keep going back to those two. No serious accidents in that time but I felt I would benefit from professional level instruction as I just havent got the multiple decades of riding experience that many others have, so I began looking around at various schools. Eventually I settled on Keith Code's Suberbike School.
I did levels 1 & 2 (each level is a day). Up through level 3 it's a structured cirriculum, with level 4 being nearly all tailored sessions to work on whatever you and your track coach feel you should work on. You can go back for level 4 instruction/improvement as often as you like. For me though, it was just an initial 2 day thing... my thinking was that maybe I'd go back and do another pair of days at a different track for levels 3 & 4 some day.
As I figure it'll be a question asked, I'll put this in there early... the class fee was about $2500 for the 2 days. You book your own flights and hotels, so that's more cost as well. That makes it pretty much the most expensive school out there. That said, it's also got the best reputation, the best equipment and some seriously good instructors. There is a difference between being able to do something and being able to teach it. It's 2 different skillsets entirely. It's obvious to me that they teach their coaches on specific ways of coaching... and the coaches are obviously hand picked from ex-level 4 riders who seemed to have the right personality traits. I never heard one single complaint all weekend about any of the track coaches (there were 6 or 7 of them). They really were great riders and egoless, affable personalities as well.
As far as equipment goes, everyone gets their own bike... a BMW1000RR. A serious piece of machinery. I was (obviously) bike 25 for 2 days. Although it's not common, you are also allowed to bring your own bike & use it. No one brought their own bike for the time I was there, though many lived close enough to do that... everyone wanted to ride those badass beemers. Who could blame them?
The students ride the black and grey models, the coaches ride the red, white & blue ones. It makes it easy to instantly identify one from the other on the track. The students also get black & grey racing suits (you can wear your own if you have one- most early students dont). And if you didnt feel like bringing your own helmet, they'll give you a nice grey Schuberth modular helmet to wear. I'd just bought a new helmet on this trip (a matte black HJC) since it's so hard to find one that fits perfectly and feels comfortable for long periods of time... so I used my own helmet.
The track we used was the Willow Springs Raceway, in the middle of the California desert, about 90 minutes inland from L.A. It was cool in the mornings, then damn hot when the sun got overhead. Even more hot in those racing suits. I had no idea they'd be so heavy and hot. Anyway, the track is set against a hillside, so you get lots of elevation changes as well as banked and off-camber turns, but with 2 separate long flat straights. It's the track that the coaches seem to say is the best for teaching. It also has a very large skidpad off to the side, which allows them to use the other teaching machine bikes... notably the lean bike and the brake bike. So although I initially signed up for Laguna Seca and the infamous corkscrew, and was disappointed when I was told it was full, I was eventually happier with the decision to do Willow Springs. With the aid of hindisght, I'd say maybe the corkscrew is better left for later classes once one's skillset is a little better.
We alternated between track time and class time, with breaks for bathroom and hydration as well. Basically we'd do 7 track sessions per day, each for roughly 20 minutes. I'd say that was just about perfect, as the laps only take about 2 minutes... so after 20 minutes you can definitely tell you've learned and improved on something, but it's not too much time so that ya get bored. Likewise for the class sessions... only about 20-30 minutes per session... enough to learn some basic concept and discuss it, but not too much so that ya got bored. It was a great, balanced approach to the day and worked well to keep you both learning and involved.
Ok, that's the facts for now... I'll add actual thoughts and impressions later, as well as specific things that were adressed... feel free to ask any questions for now and I'll come back to finish this soon...
Quick background info... I've only been riding for about 2.5 years now. I've done maybe 7K-8K total on bigger bikes (daily use of a 125cc doesnt count). I've done lots of multi-day trips on rented 500X's & ER6's, and tried out several other models along the way... tho I tended to keep going back to those two. No serious accidents in that time but I felt I would benefit from professional level instruction as I just havent got the multiple decades of riding experience that many others have, so I began looking around at various schools. Eventually I settled on Keith Code's Suberbike School.
I did levels 1 & 2 (each level is a day). Up through level 3 it's a structured cirriculum, with level 4 being nearly all tailored sessions to work on whatever you and your track coach feel you should work on. You can go back for level 4 instruction/improvement as often as you like. For me though, it was just an initial 2 day thing... my thinking was that maybe I'd go back and do another pair of days at a different track for levels 3 & 4 some day.
As I figure it'll be a question asked, I'll put this in there early... the class fee was about $2500 for the 2 days. You book your own flights and hotels, so that's more cost as well. That makes it pretty much the most expensive school out there. That said, it's also got the best reputation, the best equipment and some seriously good instructors. There is a difference between being able to do something and being able to teach it. It's 2 different skillsets entirely. It's obvious to me that they teach their coaches on specific ways of coaching... and the coaches are obviously hand picked from ex-level 4 riders who seemed to have the right personality traits. I never heard one single complaint all weekend about any of the track coaches (there were 6 or 7 of them). They really were great riders and egoless, affable personalities as well.
As far as equipment goes, everyone gets their own bike... a BMW1000RR. A serious piece of machinery. I was (obviously) bike 25 for 2 days. Although it's not common, you are also allowed to bring your own bike & use it. No one brought their own bike for the time I was there, though many lived close enough to do that... everyone wanted to ride those badass beemers. Who could blame them?

The students ride the black and grey models, the coaches ride the red, white & blue ones. It makes it easy to instantly identify one from the other on the track. The students also get black & grey racing suits (you can wear your own if you have one- most early students dont). And if you didnt feel like bringing your own helmet, they'll give you a nice grey Schuberth modular helmet to wear. I'd just bought a new helmet on this trip (a matte black HJC) since it's so hard to find one that fits perfectly and feels comfortable for long periods of time... so I used my own helmet.
The track we used was the Willow Springs Raceway, in the middle of the California desert, about 90 minutes inland from L.A. It was cool in the mornings, then damn hot when the sun got overhead. Even more hot in those racing suits. I had no idea they'd be so heavy and hot. Anyway, the track is set against a hillside, so you get lots of elevation changes as well as banked and off-camber turns, but with 2 separate long flat straights. It's the track that the coaches seem to say is the best for teaching. It also has a very large skidpad off to the side, which allows them to use the other teaching machine bikes... notably the lean bike and the brake bike. So although I initially signed up for Laguna Seca and the infamous corkscrew, and was disappointed when I was told it was full, I was eventually happier with the decision to do Willow Springs. With the aid of hindisght, I'd say maybe the corkscrew is better left for later classes once one's skillset is a little better.

We alternated between track time and class time, with breaks for bathroom and hydration as well. Basically we'd do 7 track sessions per day, each for roughly 20 minutes. I'd say that was just about perfect, as the laps only take about 2 minutes... so after 20 minutes you can definitely tell you've learned and improved on something, but it's not too much time so that ya get bored. Likewise for the class sessions... only about 20-30 minutes per session... enough to learn some basic concept and discuss it, but not too much so that ya got bored. It was a great, balanced approach to the day and worked well to keep you both learning and involved.
Ok, that's the facts for now... I'll add actual thoughts and impressions later, as well as specific things that were adressed... feel free to ask any questions for now and I'll come back to finish this soon...