Travel restriction for Chinese vehicles in the making

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Not sure if this will affect bikes registered in China but the Bangkok Post article mentions that: Each vehicle will need to register for at least 10 days through local tourism business operators prior to entry. Passports, international driving licences, car registration documents and itineraries will also be required. Entry will be limited to 30 days, with a 500 baht fee for cars and pickup trucks and 200 baht for motorcycles

The whole article is here: Chinese visitors alarm
 
Motorists who do not have an international licence usable in Thailand must pass driving and traffic rules training at the local LTD office first.

Mainland China does not issue any IDP = International Driving Permit yet and does not recognise the IDP as China is not a member of the 1949 Geneva Convention on Road Traffic, could be a real challenge for visiting China motorists once enforced in Thailand.
An International Driving Permit (IDP) is an identity document that allows the holder to drive a private motor vehicle in any country that recognises IDPs. To be valid, the IDP must be accompanied by a valid driving licence.

Quite understandable they implement restrictions in Thailand in the future seeing how they (MCM = Muppets-Clowns-Morons) drive in the Middle Kingdom every single day and you don't want them dodgy illegal motorbikes in the "Land of Smiles" either.... nuff said'....
 
A follow up article suggests motorcycles will be banned, as will motorhomes. It's not just Chinese motorcycles and motorhomes that will be banned, although the regulations are being put in place specifically to address the issue of Chinese vehicles travelling to Thailand as they constitute the vast majority of non-regional vehicles. During the Chinese New Year, in many parts of Thailand there were far more Chinese vehicles than those registered in neighboring countries, which is rather strange given that Thailand and China do not share an agreement on cross border traffic. Only in places like Udon Thani would one have spotted more Lao vehicles than Chinese ones, but in Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai and even all the way down to Pattaya and Phuket, dozens (or more) Chinese vehicles could have been spotted meanwhile not a single Lao or Malaysian vehicle might have been seen.

See this article for further information:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/business...ts-face-strict-curbs-on-driving-into-thailand

Other Thai language articles published around the middle of this month also seem to confirm the following additional rules:

Traffic orientation to take place at the Department of Land Transport of the border province entered. Orientation will take 1 hour. Will need to apply for a temporary Thai driver's licence if from a country that is not party to the 1949 UN convention on international motor traffic (China is one such country).

There will be a new database linking customs, immigration and the Land Transport Department that will allow officials to check how long a foreign vehicle has been in Thailand. If any (major) traffic rules are broken, the customs authorities can revoke driving permission and/or consider whether to allow the vehicle back into Thailand in future.

Entry will be limited to 30 days per time, with 60 days per year being the maximum. I'm not sure if an extension of stay will be allowed or if it's exactly as the wording: 30 days per entry but a second entry of 30 days will be permitted, or 30 days initially, with a second 30 day extension possible as long as the vehicle does not spend more than 60 days in the country per year.

This will likely mean the end of the up to 6 month extensions available through customs at Khlong Toei. Also, I can imagine any extension would have to go through a local tour operator and can't be done by the owner or driver of the vehicle themselves anymore (though this has not been addressed specifically).

Also, travel will be restricted to the border province entered, for example, Chiang Rai. If wanting to travel further, must go through a Thai based tour operator (presumably this means going with a guide) or must hire a car/use public transport.

No more self-driven convoys without a guide/escort. All convoys of more than 3 vehicles I think it is will require a guide and police escort.

The head of the traffic police in Bangkok additionally warned that Chinese (and other foreign) registrations found driving inside Bangkok will have their vehicles seized, fined 10,000 Baht and be placed on a tow truck to the driven to the border for export. Not sure if or when this regulation would enter into force, but the police wants to control the already large numbers of vehicles on Bangkok roads and Chinese cars/campervans that were spotted in the Khao San road/Wat Phra Kaew area last month during Chinese New Year, caused traffic jams, were parked illegally not to mention some of them drove the wrong way onto the expressway, causing major traffic woes.

I'm glad that Chinese vehicles will soon be effectively banished from Thai roads - they've abused the easy entry privileges for too long and it was only going to be a matter of time before this "friendly invasion" of blue plates would be stopped. I mean, look at the statistics - in 2013 around 1700 Chinese plates entered Thailand at Chiang Khong, by 2014 it became 4800 or so and then last year it almost doubled to 9200. In the first two months of this year a whopping 6000 odd Chinese plates entered Thailand. And that's not including Nong Khai, where although a much smaller number entered, but almost every time I've been crossing there since late 2014 (a total of at least 11 times, sometimes one way sometimes in both directions on the same trip) I would see at least one or two Chinese registrations, sometimes as many as 5 crossing at once. Only when crossing very late would I not see any Chinese registrations. If the authorities didn't do something, there would have been more accidents and in just 2-3 years or so, one could have conceivably imagined more Chinese vehicles on the roads in Chiang Rai and Chiang Mai during holiday periods, than local vehicles and that's just not sustainable given they don't pay road tax for the wear and tear they put on Thai roads.

Meanwhile Thai cars need to deposit 50,000 Yuan (around 270,000 Baht) plus give up to 3 months advance notice to drive in China (15 days for Sipsongbanna, 30 days for Kunming and Yunnan), pay an additional 15,000 Baht or so in other fees for permits, buy a 1st class insurance policy and also have a guide with them the whole time they are in China. Which rules out almost all Thai drivers except those travelling in a caravan, and even then most stick to Yunnan unless they're part of a promotional team such as when Isuzu drove their new 1.9 liter D-Maxes to northern China to show how fuel efficient they were, but as a major car manufacturer they could afford to pay all these fees; individual travelers from Thailand or expats based in Thailand generally can't (not to mention how crazy it is to be asked for a deposit that is about 1/3 to 1/2 the value of an average car!)

Only seems reasonable that the Thais would wake up to this hypocrisy and stop the potential carnage, additional pollution not to mention traffic jams, and shear annoyance that so many of us have when driving on local roads which we have to pay thousands of Baht per year in annual road tax for (depending on the type of vehicle we're driving), but then we are confronted with loads of freeloading blue plates.
 
The Thai Land Transport Department submitted the new regulations to the Thai cabinet for approval before Songkran. New regulations to come into effect either on may 23rd or by June (the exact date is a bit unclear but will surely be mentioned in the near future).

The following types of vehicles will be allowed to enter Thailand:

cars and pickup trucks weighing no more than 3500kg GVM.

Motorcycles reportedly also, for an entry fee of 200 Baht + 1000 Baht for a special plate.

No more motorhomes/campervans/caravans/RVs whatever you wanna call them.
 
Well, it seems that the Thais are to some extent reconsidering the ban on Chinese vehicles entering Thailand

From today's Bangkok Post: The Transport Ministry is considering easing measures curbing the influx of foreign-registered tourist vehicles entering the North of Thailand, particularly from China, following a plunge in Chinese tourist arrivals which has dented tourism revenue

The full story is here: Bangkok Post - Authorities-mull-easing-tourist-vehicle-ban
 
It begs the question: well what did the Thai authorities think would be the result then?

Well, it seems that the Thais are to some extent reconsidering the ban on Chinese vehicles entering Thailand

From today's Bangkok Post: The Transport Ministry is considering easing measures curbing the influx of foreign-registered tourist vehicles entering the North of Thailand, particularly from China, following a plunge in Chinese tourist arrivals which has dented tourism revenue

The full story is here: Bangkok Post - Authorities-mull-easing-tourist-vehicle-ban
 
It begs the question: well what did the Thai authorities think would be the result then?

Not exactly - the BKK Post article is completely contradictory and confusing [as usual]. On the one hand the authorities are considering easing some of the restrictions, on the other hand they "won't be eased for private vehicles".

In English, this probably means the border province restrictions will be eased and/or only if a tour operator travels with the vehicles at all times.

The article also incorrectly suggests that Lao, Malaysian and Singaporean vehicles are affected. What rubbish - they are clearly mentioned as exemptions in the regulations and I have seen plenty of them driving around Thailand since July. Similarly, Myanmar vehicles have NEVER been allowed to leave the border province [city] entered until now - i.e. there is an option for them to do so now. Myanmar vehicles can continue to enter Mae Sot from Myawady and Mae Sai from Tachilek as before and indeed I have seen as many Myanmar vehicles driving around Mae Sot in July (after the new DLT regulations came into effect) as before. Ditto for Cambodian vehicles - I even saw the same Phnom Penh registered Rolls Royce in Bangkok in August as I have been seeing regularly stretching back to earlier in the year.

Does the Bangkok Post ever check it's facts? Better start quoting the Nation from now on, overall a much better sources of news.
 
The Bangkok post article appears to be a poorly and hastily translated version of this Thai language article published on the same day:

http://www.posttoday.com/biz/gov/456203

What the article says is that according to section 16 of the law "exceptions" the department is considering whether to allow travel agencies to look after tourist vehicles [from China] without having to face restrictions such as not being allowed to travel outside the border province entered, provided applications are made at least 30 days in advance.

The article also states that essentially no tourist vehicles from China and ASEAN (except Laos, Malaysia and Singapore) have been permitted to enter since the new rules have entered into force irrespective of whether they came in the form of a caravan tour or via tour operators in order to allow officials to restore a sense of order.

The article doesn't mention Myanmar or Cambodian vehicles specifically, but I can confirm there has been no changes to where these vehicles are allowed to drive - Myanmar vehicles as always are restricted to the border city next to Myanmar (Mae Sot and Mae Sai) as I mentioned already while Cambo vehicles should be restricted to their border provinces but I have seen 2 Cambodian vehicles driving within Bangkok since July so either they flouted the rules or they received permission to drive beyond the border province.

Only 1% of all Chinese tourists entered Thailand by car so it's not a big demographic however clearly the authorities don't want to restrict all tourist traffic by car. This has forced the authorities to reconsider some of the restrictions.

My hunch is as this article implies, tourist vehicles can be brought in if travel agencies make the arrangements, and they won't be restricted to the border province entered [which is a good thing as that is just too restrictive]. Aside from that, not much will change but as anyone who knows Thailand well knows, rules and regulations change all the time so nothing is certain.
 
The Bangkok post article appears to be a poorly and hastily translated version of this Thai language article published on the same day:

http://www.posttoday.com/biz/gov/456203

What the article says is that according to section 16 of the law "exceptions" the department is considering whether to allow travel agencies to look after tourist vehicles [from China] without having to face restrictions such as not being allowed to travel outside the border province entered, provided applications are made at least 30 days in advance.

The article also states that essentially no tourist vehicles from China and ASEAN (except Laos, Malaysia and Singapore) have been permitted to enter since the new rules have entered into force irrespective of whether they came in the form of a caravan tour or via tour operators in order to allow officials to restore a sense of order.

The article doesn't mention Myanmar or Cambodian vehicles specifically, but I can confirm there has been no changes to where these vehicles are allowed to drive - Myanmar vehicles as always are restricted to the border city next to Myanmar (Mae Sot and Mae Sai) as I mentioned already while Cambo vehicles should be restricted to their border provinces but I have seen 2 Cambodian vehicles driving within Bangkok since July so either they flouted the rules or they received permission to drive beyond the border province.

Only 1% of all Chinese tourists entered Thailand by car so it's not a big demographic however clearly the authorities don't want to restrict all tourist traffic by car. This has forced the authorities to reconsider some of the restrictions.

My hunch is as this article implies, tourist vehicles can be brought in if travel agencies make the arrangements, and they won't be restricted to the border province entered [which is a good thing as that is just too restrictive]. Aside from that, not much will change but as anyone who knows Thailand well knows, rules and regulations change all the time so nothing is certain.


Blackwolf
You've got me wondering about something now.
I've entered Thailand through Koh Kong/Hat Lek about once a year for the last 13 years on a Cambo registered bike.
My most recent entry was Jan 2016 and it was the first time I was asked if my planned exit was also Hat Lek. My answer was yes and that was in fact where I exited.
Didn't think much about it at the time, but after reading your post I'm wondering if the one province restriction has been law for some time, but only loosely enforced up until the June 27 2016 changes ?
If so, is that still the case for Cambo registered vehicles, meaning if I stay within the province of entry, I don't need to comply with the new permitting ?
 
Blackwolf
You've got me wondering about something now.
I've entered Thailand through Koh Kong/Hat Lek about once a year for the last 13 years on a Cambo registered bike.
My most recent entry was Jan 2016 and it was the first time I was asked if my planned exit was also Hat Lek. My answer was yes and that was in fact where I exited.
Didn't think much about it at the time, but after reading your post I'm wondering if the one province restriction has been law for some time, but only loosely enforced up until the June 27 2016 changes ?
If so, is that still the case for Cambo registered vehicles, meaning if I stay within the province of entry, I don't need to comply with the new permitting ?

Correct.

As far as I'm aware, for Cambo vehicles, officially they have never been allowed to exit the border province entered but in practice it was only loosely enforced (or not at all) until June 27, 2016 as evidenced by sightings of Cambo vehicles all over Thailand for years, though on an irregular basis. The reason for this is reciprocity based on Cambodian restrictions of Thai vehicles entering Cambodia, which again are not strictly enforced there. Every time I have entered Cambodia at Koh Kong by car, I have been asked where I am going and I always say "just Koh Kong" even though I have driven to Sihanoukville and Phnom Penh, though I did end up exiting at Koh Kong too. They don't seem to care at O'Smach, where I have also entered and drove to Siem Reap and then exited at Poipet.

Having said that, even since June 27, 2016, it seems that Cambodian vehicles are not being actively targeted by these new rules, but there are plenty of soldiers throughout Trat province, some of which are stationed at the provincial boundary with Chantaburi underneath that umbrella thingy. You might want to consider taking a backroad into Chantaburi to avoid them as they might stop you otherwise (or not - since you're on a motorcycle and they can't see the plate from the front).

Otherwise, if you stay within the province of entry you do not require any special permission and can just enter as usual. For example, driving to Koh Chang or Trat requires only the usual temporary import documents and temporary insurance, which can be purchased at the border.
 
Correct.

As far as I'm aware, for Cambo vehicles, officially they have never been allowed to exit the border province entered but in practice it was only loosely enforced (or not at all) until June 27, 2016 as evidenced by sightings of Cambo vehicles all over Thailand for years, though on an irregular basis. The reason for this is reciprocity based on Cambodian restrictions of Thai vehicles entering Cambodia, which again are not strictly enforced there. Every time I have entered Cambodia at Koh Kong by car, I have been asked where I am going and I always say "just Koh Kong" even though I have driven to Sihanoukville and Phnom Penh, though I did end up exiting at Koh Kong too. They don't seem to care at O'Smach, where I have also entered and drove to Siem Reap and then exited at Poipet.

Having said that, even since June 27, 2016, it seems that Cambodian vehicles are not being actively targeted by these new rules, but there are plenty of soldiers throughout Trat province, some of which are stationed at the provincial boundary with Chantaburi underneath that umbrella thingy. You might want to consider taking a backroad into Chantaburi to avoid them as they might stop you otherwise (or not - since you're on a motorcycle and they can't see the plate from the front).

Otherwise, if you stay within the province of entry you do not require any special permission and can just enter as usual. For example, driving to Koh Chang or Trat requires only the usual temporary import documents and temporary insurance, which can be purchased at the border.

Last Sunday a European acquaintance entered Thailand at Koh Kong-Hat Lek driving his Cambodian plated Lexus registered in his name. He has a Cambodian drivers license as well. Thai customs issued him with temp import papers and sold him insurance for (I think ) ~Bt800. Whole process took 20 minutes. He drove to Pattaya for 3 days then exited at the same border crossing.
Point being, he wasn't asked to comply with the new entry permit regulations.
 
Last Sunday a European acquaintance entered Thailand at Koh Kong-Hat Lek driving his Cambodian plated Lexus registered in his name. He has a Cambodian drivers license as well. Thai customs issued him with temp import papers and sold him insurance for (I think ) ~Bt800. Whole process took 20 minutes. He drove to Pattaya for 3 days then exited at the same border crossing.
Point being, he wasn't asked to comply with the new entry permit regulations.

That proves my point exactly - because Cambodian vehicles traveling in border regions are allowed to enter as usual, when they deliberately leave the border province enforcement comes down to the Thai police, which remains lax. Since there are so few Cambodian vehicles in Thailand anyway (there have never been many, especially compared to the hordes of Lao and Malaysian registrations) the only difference now compared to the past is that Thai customs might ask where you are going, to which you should respond someplace in the same province. As mentioned, it's the exact same thing going in the opposite direction - though I am usually asked where I'm heading at Koh Kong, Thai cars travel all over Cambodia and there is no enforcement of the border province rule there either.

I think it will only be a matter of time before Cambodia and Thailand sign an official agreement covering private vehicles (at least for cars, motorcycles probably won't be covered). I'm surprised it's taken them this long given that Laos and Malaysia have had such agreements in place for decades now.
 
That proves my point exactly - because Cambodian vehicles traveling in border regions are allowed to enter as usual, when they deliberately leave the border province enforcement comes down to the Thai police, which remains lax. Since there are so few Cambodian vehicles in Thailand anyway (there have never been many, especially compared to the hordes of Lao and Malaysian registrations) the only difference now compared to the past is that Thai customs might ask where you are going, to which you should respond someplace in the same province. As mentioned, it's the exact same thing going in the opposite direction - though I am usually asked where I'm heading at Koh Kong, Thai cars travel all over Cambodia and there is no enforcement of the border province rule there either.

I think it will only be a matter of time before Cambodia and Thailand sign an official agreement covering private vehicles (at least for cars, motorcycles probably won't be covered). I'm surprised it's taken them this long given that Laos and Malaysia have had such agreements in place for decades now.

One thing that's changed at Hat Lek is Thai Customs have resumed selling insurance. I bought it there once before, around 5 or more years ago. Story goes they got caught pocketing the money and just gave you the paperwork that hadn't been entered into the system. Since then they stopped selling insurance and on my last visit in Jan 2016, they couldn't even tell me where the nearest insurance office was.
Anyway, it seems they're selling it again, perhaps in response to the new rules for foreign vehicles.

Another anecdotal experience was on my entry in Jan 2015. The Thai police from Trat had setup a checkpoint coming into Trat and were fining Foreigners without IDLs. Not a bad little earner for them....
 
One thing that's changed at Hat Lek is Thai Customs have resumed selling insurance. I bought it there once before, around 5 or more years ago. Story goes they got caught pocketing the money and just gave you the paperwork that hadn't been entered into the system. Since then they stopped selling insurance and on my last visit in Jan 2016, they couldn't even tell me where the nearest insurance office was.
Anyway, it seems they're selling it again, perhaps in response to the new rules for foreign vehicles.

Another anecdotal experience was on my entry in Jan 2015. The Thai police from Trat had setup a checkpoint coming into Trat and were fining Foreigners without IDLs. Not a bad little earner for them....

I've been out that way numerous times since 2014 - always in my Thai registered car, which I have now also started driving into Cambodia since last year. I too have noticed the police checkpoints on one or two occasions but they never seem to stop Thai registered cars - I can imagine they would jump at Cambodian ones though as they do with Lao registrations in Nong Khai.

Regarding insurance being sold at the border - if you're bringing in a vehicle under the new laws the insurance must be purchased before entering the country - the sale of insurance at the border is for local vehicles which are granted an exemption to the rules.

I know they're very strict with the foreign vehicle laws now since there is an actual law in place now but as a neighboring country, enforcement for Cambodians remains a little lax, granted very few Cambodians drive further than the border province simply because there is no need - they mainly come for shopping and trading purposes and whether it's Trat or Aranyaprathet, most provinces now have all the hypermarkets, hardware stores, markets, hospitals and other services they need hence there's no reason to drive to say Bangkok. Rich Cambodians from Phnom Penh will fly to Bangkok anyway, they won't be driving even if they could. Western expats tend to be a bit more adventurous, which explains why I've seen westerners behind the wheel of Cambodian registered cars driven into Thailand yet on average I only see a Cambodian registration in Bangkok about 3-4 times a year.

It also remains lax for Burmese registrations in the sense there haven't been any changes at the border for them (Mae Sot or Mae Sai) although they definitely can't drive outside the border city entered, they couldn't before and they can't now either - it's always been this way because Myanmar imposes the same law on Thai vehicles hence no way the Thais would let the Burmese drive in for free when Thais can't go further than the border city themselves. I am now fairly sure the two Cambodian cars I saw in Bangkok on separate occasions both in August were driven across the border without the new advance permission - their drivers probably just told customs they weren't leaving the border province if they were asked anything at all. Same thing I always tell Koh Kong customs even though nobody really cares, you just have to agree with what they say. Technically Cambodia has had a similar advance permission law in place to Thailand for years but why would anyone bother seeking permission from Phnom Penh weeks in advance of travel when they can show up at the border even though no insurance is available.

Clearly the idea behind this law is to not restrict traffic from direct neighboring countries (which would upset trade and tourism) and unsurprisingly, it hasn't changed one bit.
 
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