New Version of the Thailand GPS Map

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Lone Rider

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Was informed yesterday that, even though ESRI/NOSTRA has not yet officially announced that the 2013 version of the Thailand Street Map is available, they do ship the new GPS'es already with the latest version of their map - Version 2013.10. There will be an English version, a Thai version and a Dual-Language version of the map available.
 
Well I guess they add it to the already long list of things to do, don't hold your breath on that one.
 
heilong said:
I'm using this map already, I got the Dual version and unfortunately it shows up only in Thai in BaseCamp. Garmin support acknowledged this as a BaseCamp bug which they promised to fix sometimes...
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Run the installer in this file and you should have English.
 
Thanks for the up, works a treat.
 
Thanks for the link!
Sometimes I have this issue when routing with these maps in Bangkok. Sometimes the GPSr tries to tell me to go on an elevated highway or a bridge, that have the sign "motorcycle not allowed", one time I didn't noticed the sign and got stopped and fine in the middle of the bridge. Although I have my routing activity set to "motorcycle driving". Does anybody know a way around this? Or at least a list of POIs marking the bridges you can't go through with a motorbike?
I wonder if this is a limitation of the map format, firmware of the GPSr (Garmin Montana), or these particular maps?
 
heilong said:
Thanks for the link!
Sometimes I have this issue when routing with these maps in Bangkok. Sometimes the GPSr tries to tell me to go on an elevated highway or a bridge, that have the sign "motorcycle not allowed", one time I didn't noticed the sign and got stopped and fine in the middle of the bridge. Although I have my routing activity set to "motorcycle driving". Does anybody know a way around this? Or at least a list of POIs marking the bridges you can't go through with a motorbike?
I wonder if this is a limitation of the map format, firmware of the GPSr (Garmin Montana), or these particular maps?
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I avoid Bangkok but when I have to cross it I set my GPS to avoid toll roads. It helps but may not be a perfect solution.
 
I came from the east last time and after riding for hours on the highway I ended up near Bangkok at a till gate. I hid behind a truck to get through in the extreme left

At the next toll booth I just rode around the gate on the left as I had been spotted by a copper and after he made a radio call to his super, with the word Falang easy to understand, nothing was said to me so I kept going

At the third and final only 1.5km from my exit I was stopped by the gate dude but I told him the GPS let me through and I would go and chat with the cops again and he let me through.

Still a stupid rule IMHO, especially for big bikes
 
Using the "avoid toll roads" was the first thing I checked after a little bit in and around Bangkok. And it's especially stupid how you can accidentally take a road that leads to the toll booths, you only see the sign "motorbikes not allowed" when you're already there and it's too late to turn back. And there's no exit so the only way to get out of there is either drive back against the traffic, or somehow get inside. The first time it happened the policeman came to me and explained the motorbikes are not allowed here, but as there was no way back, he told me to get in (for free) and exit at the first available opportunity. This was after 10+ km (BKK - Chon Buri motorway).

Anyway this doesn't help with the bridges and normal overpasses since they are not toll roads. It seems though as many motorbike riders in BKK use the overpasses so I guess the police doesn't have a habit of collecting fines there, but with the bridges they do. Maybe somebody from BKK can make a POI file with the list of forbidden bridges?
 
The main problem with "bikes not allowed" is that Garmin treats cars and motorbikes as being in the same category. I am into making Garmin GPS maps and while doing so, I need to set for each component (roads, intersections, bridges, etc.) what can be done like the average speed, which categories are allowed to use it, one way sections, turn restrictions, etc. and what is not allowed.

So, if there is a fly-over or a bridge where motorbikes are not allowed, I can set "Motorbikes not allowed" but, because bikes and cars are treated the same, this will then automatically include "Cars not allowed" as well. So the only thing I can do is to set a warning message like "motorbikes not allowed" but these warning messages are not taken into account in auto-routing.

So, the best option, like Heilong asks for, is to prepare/collect a POI file of bridges, etc. where bikes are not allowed and use these while making routes.
 
I see, that's rather limited on the side of Garmin. Do trucks and buses also fall in the same category (just curious)?
Yeah I wish someone would make that POI. There's not so many bridges in BKK, so I guess anybody who lives in the city (I don't, fortunately) and is familiar with them could provide that data.
 
heilong said:
Anyway this doesn't help with the bridges and normal overpasses since they are not toll roads. It seems though as many motorbike riders in BKK use the overpasses so I guess the police doesn't have a habit of collecting fines there, but with the bridges they do. Maybe somebody from BKK can make a POI file with the list of forbidden bridges?
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Can you point out the bridges and other non-toll roads you already know bikes are not allowed to use? Then I can add those to OSM. The few times I have crossed Bangkok I have taken a ferry over Chao Phraya River.
 
Unfortunately I'm not a Bangkokian so can't tell for sure, I know about only couple of bridges where you definitely can't go. Someone who rides a motorbike in BKK for a while should step up and submit the data :)
As for the non-toll roads, there are numerous (well, most of them!) overpasses, underpasses, and toll-free elevated sections of highway that have a "motorbikes not allowed" sign. Unfortunately I can't point them out just from my memory.
I noticed that local motorcycle traffic frequently uses these forbidden overpasses/underpasses (pretty short sections, their purpose is to cross a busy intersection on a different level, to avoid waiting at the traffic light), so I guess maybe the police doesn't routinely fine people for that. However very rarely I see a motorbike go on the elevated highway section (that can go for many kilometers until the next exit). I used to do, one time a policeman almost catched me, since then I changed my attitude and try to follow the rules (for the most part).
 
If we can get the forbidden biker roads tagged as such we can make a biker OSM map. Bangkok sure is a hassle to ride in so it would be nice.
 
Was just informed that the latest version of the Garmin GPS Thailand City Navigator version 2013.40 is now available.

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For those of you who have a "life time map update" go here: Announcement - Update Thailand Map TCN 2013.40 to see how you can get the free update. Others can either buy the update or download it from a torrent site and/or file sharing site as I have seen the unlocked version of the map already on several sites. Please note that at the moment only the Thai and the Dual Language version is available while the English version of the map probably will come later.
 
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